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a lot today about the need to strike a fiscal cliff deal and what they were doing is tacking with each other, with no new talks scheduled between the major players in the debate and the speaker of the house finds himself defending his own plans for members of his own party. in northwest d.c., president obama is on the hard sell trying to convince a group of business executives to support raising taxes on the wealthy. >> let's allow higher rates to go up the top 2%, and that includes all of you, yes? >> reporter: saying a fiscal cliff deal must include new revenues. the president pushed his plan to raise taxes on household earning over $250,000 a year. >> and i am here to tell you that nobody wants to get this done more than me. >> reporter: john boehner has a hard sell of his own with conservatives upset over his offer of $800 billion in new taxes. >> the plans the white house has talked about us this far, they could not pass either house. >> reporter: a "washington post" poll finds 53% would blame republicans if the country went over the fiscal cliff while only 27% would blame the pre
hill vote for including the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> months ago, the budget carney held up was voted down by the entire senate. 99-0. meaning no democratic support. earlier, dick durbin insisted spending cuts from entitlement reform will not be part of the talks while pelosi spell noncommittal whether the cuts will be in the deal. still, the administration is trying to breathe life to the talks, with vice president biden shopping at new costco in washington, picking up a big screen tv and apple pie and insisting he is optimistic of a deal. >> i am. i am. all the folks in the store, man. going to make a difference. >> carney shot down a politico report that a phone call last night between boehner and the president was curt, noting it was 28 minutes long and productive. signaling the president is flexible on taxes not being specific on the ne
to raise the nation's borrowing limit would have to be matched by spending cuts in the fiscal cliff deal. >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be accompanied by spending reductions that meet or exceed it. >> asking that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible. it was deeply irresponsible in the summer of 2011, and it would be deeply irresponsible if we were to see that kind of approach taken again. >> with boehner calling on the white house to lay out specific spending cuts, senate majority leader harry reid offered his own response to the house speaker. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where's the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> huh. don't understand his brain
york says there is progress being made behind the scenes for a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. publicly the two sides still sounded miles apart after talking to president obama last night for 15 minutes and meeting with secretary geithner for more than half an hour. john boehner said the two sides have made no progress on a deal. he wants to see more spending cuts from the democrats, but the democrats punch back and said it is republicans who aren't making any serious offer on more tax revenues. >> so right now all eyes on the white house. the country does not need a victory lap, it needs leadership. tell the american people with spending cuts they are willing to make. >> if it happened, it will be under the leadership of the house. for a balanced agreement, we need republicans to come forward with something. >> speaker john boehner said this is a moment for adult leadership, a stab at the president there. melissa: my goodness. i understand mitt romney is coming to the white house for that lunch. i don't know, what is everybody expect to come from that? >> the president said the preside
the scenes of the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. it seems the framework for a deal actually might be taking shape. if so, what will it look like? david drucker has been nosing around a little bit. the associate politics editor at "roll call." when you hear senators and speaker of the house come out and talk it doesn't sound like they're all that close, david. are you optimistic? >> well i'm sort of on the fence here, jon. whenever you hear members of congress talk about any kind of fiscal cliff deal you have to approach it with a sort of believe everything and believe nothing attitude. i think that everybody wants to avoid having taxes go up for all americans as of january 1st but everybody has a price for that. and it, to me, it's about whether or not both sides are looking for a win-win deal, meaning, my opponent wins and i win. or whether both sides or one of the sides are looking for a deal where only i win and you lose and on top of all of that then we have to look at what do they want to include in any sort of deal? are we going to address entitlement reform? are we going to cut spend
it gets dicey when that date is prior to the deadline for a fiscal cliff and a deal may not be reached by that deadline. >> very true. i look at whole foods. will that be damage? here's a stock creeping up. some people didn't like the last quarter. i thought the last quarter was fine. a great long-term trend. i think that there's a special dividend and, hello -- >> you're going to buy that because of special dividend? i don't know. >> i don't want to change my find about a stock that i don't like because they're paying a dividend. >> for a stock like apple which has been on the list floating at parlor games with a lot of cash on hand, if they paid a special dividend, that may entice shareholders to come back into the stock, a stock that's had trouble breaking out of a trading range it's been in for the last couple weeks. >> totally agree with you. they did have a board meeting last week. i thought something would have come out then. that would have been a good opportunity. as to what carl is saying, everyone wakes up saying we've been running the company wrong. they want to take advant
boehner said no substantial progress on fiscal cliff debt deal while harry reid insists we democrats are on track and will finalize it this year. even chuck schumer weighed in saying progress is being made on the hill and the next is a taste oversensitive. take a look at the intraday, you can see how it was jerked around today. right around 11:30 a.m., speaker john maye -- john boehner spoke. the buyers poured in, the short time later chuck schumer came in. now we are trading near the highs of the day. the dow jones dust they stop 77 points, 45 to the upside. all 10 s. and p. sectors are jumping with technologies leading the way. research in motion a big winner. can you believe the stock is near $12 per share. rim was at $6 per share, but positive comments out of goldman sachs fueling the game. apple in the green continuing the postelection resurgence. apple was in bear market correction level just a few weeks ago, but right now jumping about 1%. disappointing november sales numbers. costs dropping 6%, tiffany got a markdown, earnings missed street estimates. and then there is aeropo
the fiscal cliff deal has come to? why 81-year-old former senator alan simpson is going gangnam style to get everyone's attention on debt. >> it has officially jumped the shark. >>> alan st. pierre is the executive director for the national,or for the reform of marijuana laws. oregon senator jeff merkley, heidi ewing, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of morsi. hundreds of his islamist supporters already taking to the streets in cairo this morning. opponents are gathering not very far away. last night the two sides clashed right outside t
the fiscal cliff. but right now they're miles apart and digging in their heels. president obama told bloomberg tv a deal is possible, but -- >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> reporter: that plan sent to the white house offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade. that includes $1.2 trillion in spending cuts and $800 billion in new tax revenue, but here's the key. no rate increases in the top 2% of taxpayers. that's non-negotiable for president obama. >> we're not going to be able to got a deal without it. >> reporter: the white house says the republicans' math just doesn't add up. >> it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: negotiations have reached a stalemate. >> there's nothing going on privately that is not going on publicly. >> reporter: there is no plan at this time for congressional leaders to meet with the president at the white house, and it doesn't sound like he's sending out invitations any time soon. >> i don't think that the issue right now has to do with sitting in a room. >> reporter: earlie
with the fiscal cliff. this deal will only get done by president obama and john boehner making a deal. they came close in the summer of 2011. the parties are so polarized and partisans polarized this is a problem. >> i keep saying we need a presidential historian or hostage negotiator. somebody could say we've been at stalemates before, gotten over it, shut down the government in '96. tip o'neill and ronald reagan managed to solve problems and get along. listen to what john mccain said about what we need here. >> it's time now to sit across the table from one another, rather than -- in the way they did with ronald reagan and the way you get things done in washington. >> the way they did with ronald reagan and get things done in washington. you sit together and figure it out. they were at a holiday party they didn't talk to each other. they're issuing sort of statements and rebuttals and saying i'm not going to budge. >> negotiation by press release. this is not how things get done in washington and part of the problem of the growing incivility in washington. people don't work together the way th
the fiscal cliff? but the g.o.p. is not so keen on a deal, at least the one the white house presented yesterday. the first offer from president obama and treasury secretary timothy geithner included a $1.6 trillion tax increase along with an extension of the payroll answer it cut and unemployment insurance and a request for $50,000,000,000 worth of stimulus spending next year. now, it doesn't promise $400,000,000,000 worth of spending cuts but congressional republicans call the deal unbalanced and unreasonable and saying there is not enough spending cuts and reforms. the one good piece of -- piece of good news to the white house on this is it shows president obama is opening strong not conceding. we will be right back. arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something more. i want this show to have an impact beyond just informing. an impact that gets people to take action themselves. as a human being, that's really important.
. in a new interview president obama says a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff is still possible but not without higher taxes for the wealthy. the president sat down with bloomberg for his first tv interview since the election and the fiscal cliff face off. he reiterated that lying in the sand is higher taxes for the wealthy. he gave republicans some room to maneuver. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlemented ientitlements i'm prepared to make, we have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not getting a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn or partisan, it's a matter of math. >> and the gop plan, which was unveiled yesterday, includes $800 bill onin new taxes made through closing loopholes and deductions and not raising rates. compare that to the president's plan and that's about half of what the white house asked for. republicans propose 600 billion in entitle
's the theme song for that. our theme song today is will we get a fiscal cliff deal done? and i appreciate the music and hopefully we'll hear some sweet music from congress about this. getting down to the wire, guys. >> wow. i don't even know where to start. >> don't stop. keep going. >> please stop. please stop. >> i had a lot of sugared cereal for breakfast this morning. >> references -- he's great is what he is. >> a deejay? you're a deejay? >> a guy throwing around references coming off wilkos like that is aok can me. >> movie anchorman today, sullivan. >> stop it. >> so, brian sullivan international, what exactly does san diego mean in german and, secondly -- >> it's an ancient german word. >> my god. >> and, secondly, brian sullivan international, what do the futures look like right now based on the distressing opening salvo yesterday between tim geithner and republican leaders? >> mika can't hide behind the book. they don't look like much. they're flat to slightly down. everybody is in wait-and-see mode here. there's a story out that mitch mcconnell burst out laughing when tim geith
of this fiscal cliff deal. that includes house democrats. and how do i go about doing that without totally alienating the base of my party? and i'm very curious to see what his next step is because his opening offer was essentially where he said he could only go in the debt ceiling bargains of july 2011. he said i can go to $800 billion in revenue, i can do these specific entitlement reforms. that's now his opening offer. where does he go here? >> i think, though, steve that the president of the united states and mr. lew and other democrats need to start looking at him differently. he is like an attorney that knows what his client is going to give and what his client's not going to give. we all know john boehner. john boehner's a deal maker. i didn't -- i liked him personally, but i never trusted him in congress because, you know, he liked making deals. that's what we need right now. the president can only push him so far. or he loses his caucus. and this is not about john boehner kicking and screaming. this is about him knowing what he can deliver. >> i understand that. john boehner has,
spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to the rawp republicans foe fact that their taxes come up so political check mate. >> i'm not so sure. president obama could avoid that very simply by putting maybe two or three to one expenditure reductions on the table for revenue increases, something like sim responsibl simpson bow. he has a formula given to him by a commission he appointed and heted that formula and presented to the republicans a program which was basically just a massive tax increase over and above the massive tax increase that's going to take place with the bush tax cuts expiring, so i don't see where there's -- he hasn't given them room to compromise. maybe if he had put his tax increases on the table and put up expenditure reductions of, you know, one and a
,000, it shows us that we are moving towards a balanced way to deal with the fiscal cliff. it would be an incredible lift, i think, to confidence in the markets. >> so with raising revenue also comes along with that what the right would like to see, you know, in terms of raising revenue to the spending cuts and president obama says he is flexible on entitlement reform in the past we have heard he might be open to raising the medicare eligibility age even possibly reducing cost of living increases for social security benefits, where do you stand on this, assuming that republicans let go of tax cuts for the wealthy? >> well, i think we need to do both. i've said we need to raise revenues, we also need to reduce spending. we started this debate after the simpson-bowles commission came in with the recommendations, we've already done $1 trillion in spending cuts on the discretionary side. we need the revenues and additional savings. we understand that. i think the easiest next step is let's pass the bill that's in the house, that gives confidence and a good deal of the revenues we need,
putting his foot down. he says no tax hikes for the wealthy, no deal. america hits that fiscal cliff in 27 days and that means tax hikes and deep spending cuts if the democrats and the republicans can't come together in some kind of a deal and with just ten days remaining until congress is scheduled to go home for the holidays, the clock ticking. here's what he told bloomberg news. listen. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able it to get a deal without it. >> we start this morning with white house correspondent dan lothian, he's in washington, d.c. okay. so who's got the ball in their court at this point then, dan? >> well, you know, i think the house gop, they have presented their counteroffer which white house spokesman jay carney is referring to as, quote, magic beans and fairy dust. we expect that house republicans will keep putting pressure on the white house to engage, push for more details on what the white house will accept when it comes to additional entitlement cuts. but i think what's unclear is what kind of negotiating is goin
as lawmakers try to reach a deal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff in january. treasury secretary tim geithner tells cnbc republicans have made a little progress, but the obama administration is "absolutely ready to go over the cliff if the gop doesn't agree to raise tax rates on wealthy americans." apple has lost a bit of its shine. the tech giant stock suffering its worst day in four years on thursday. several factors may have been at play. investors worried apple may be giving up ground in the tablet market to rivals, while nokia beat the company to the punch. there are also unconfirmed reports a stock clearinghouse firm is reducing the margin requirements on apple stock. apple lost $35 billion in market value yesterday. to put that into perspective, there are 417 companies listed on the s&p 500 index that have a market cap below $35 billion, so the jimmer fredet the majority of the s&p is valued at just below what apple lost yesterday. >>> a fairfax county woman will have to remove parts of her negative online review of a home contractor. the ruling was made yesterday. jane perez
there will be a deal? fiscal cliff? >> i don't think so before january 1st no. i actually don't. i think there may be a vote right after. one scenario i read about yesterday which i mentioned in my column this morning which was pretty interesting to me is that the republicans might let a vote happen in the house but all vote present and let it pass solely with the democratic voters. >> bill: okay. we'll talk about that and other scenarios with senator sherrod brown when we come back here on the "full court press." when the last card is played what will be remembered? explore the lives of the famous and infamous who changed our world forever. experience the drama, back to back to back. of all the hours in all their days, the ones you'll never forget are the final 24. don't miss the final 24 mini-marathon this sunday on current tv. save the best for last. >> announcer: chatting where you live at current.com/billpress this is the "bill press show," live on your radio and current tv. >> bill: you got it. 33 minutes after the hour now. the "full court
sure they disappear the way they should and if necessary go over the fiscal cliff. no deal's better than a bad deal. great to see you today. join the conversation any time at 1-866-55-press. follow us on twitter at bpshow. peter ogborn and dan henning team press in place here this morning. good morning guys. peter's always keeping track of the social media and your comment on twitter. phil backert has the phones and cyprian bowlding has the camera. our videographer keeping us looking good here on current tv. well, we know that breaking news this morning actually came across the wires that kate middleton is filing better. she's over that acute morning sickness. she's left the hospital. and at the same time, a little breaking news, we learned that yesterday a couple of talk show hosts, radio talk show hosts from australia with the worst british accents i have ever heard did a prank call to the hospital where kate was kept for a couple of days. pretending to be the queen and prince charles checking in on kate's
colleagues to make sure we deal with, quote, the rest of the fiscal cliff. that would take $900 billion off the cliff right now. so, folks, just look around here. people are consumer confidence is growing. the last thing we need to do is dash that now by being unable to extend the middle class tax cuts. thanks for shopping with me. i know you won't tell anybody what i bought for christmas. thank you very much. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> vice president joe biden at the new and the first costco in washington which employs some 200 people. he was joined there by the c.e.o. of costco, who also spoke at the democratic national convention. was a major obama fundraiser. we are live back on capitol hill waiting to hear from house speaker john boehner and his weekly briefing. the speaker today was one of the leaders set to meet with treasury secretary tim geithner up on capitol hill today to talk about the fiscal cliff negotiation. we'll be hearing from the speaker shortly. the house gavels back in at
and marry bono mack about the latest wheeling and dealing as we look to be going over the fiscal cliff. >>> we're following those pacif pacific storms. this weekend the third storm to hit the region in just fivedays unleashed floodwaters and knocked out power to thousands in sacramento, san francisco and surrounding areas. there's rain in the forecast after a brief respite today again tomorrow. >>> officials say missing bolts meant to secure concrete slabs may be the cause of a deadly collapse in a japanese highway tunnel. nine people were killed when a 200-foot section of eight inch thick concrete caved in on the cars yesterday morning. emergency inspections have been ordered on nearly 50 tunnels and similar structures across japan. >>> the mayor of newark, new jersey, is taking the food stamp challenge. we're talking about corey booker. he will only be eating what he can afford to buy this week. he'll have just 33 dlrs $33 to with. that's the average weekly food stamp benefit in his state per day. booker is already tweeting that he will be giving up coffee because he won't be able to
. >> tonight, richard wolffe on today's nonsense from republicans and where a deal on the fiscal cliff stands. and former health insurance executive wendell potter on what obama's proposed $340 billion in medicare cuts will mean for seniors. >>> vice president joe biden stumps for the middle class at a retail store that treats its workers right. i'll talk costco and fiscal cliff with steve greenhouse of "the new york times." >>> plus hostess executives tank their company and cost the people their jobs. so why are they still demanding millions of dollars in bonuses? >>> and we'll tell you how senator john mccain fits in with congressman louie gohmert's latest conspiracy theory. >> this administration sent planes and bombs and support to oust gadhafi so al qaeda and the muslim brotherhood could take over libya. >>> good to have you with us tonight, folks. republicans are walking tall in public but hanging their heads behind closed doors. john boehner struck a defiant tone during a news conference today. he blamed the president and democrats for stalling negotiations on a debt deal. >> despite t
at the beginning of the year, regardless of whether or not a deal is reached on the so-called fiscal cliff. stuart varney has got the bad news and it's in small print of the health care reform. >> it is. under obamacare. everybody is looking at the fiscal cliff, tax the rich more for the fiscal. okay. we've got that. but we are definitely going to tax the rich just a little bit more come january 1 to pay for obamacare, specifically taxes on capital gains, dividends going up to just a little bit more, just a little bit more on january 1, and also a little bit more on income of those people making more than $200,000 a year. so we have defined rich down to $200,000 a year. it was a lot higher than that, but guaranteed january 1, a little bit more for obamacare. >> steve: when you say a little bit more, you mean like 3 or 4%, which adds up. >> it does. it's 3.8% extra as a capital gains tax. >> steve: that's a done deal. that's baked into the health care reform? >> that's it. there is no discussion about it. that was passed two years ago. this is going to happen. then you've got maybe a little bit mor
of deal would be reached to avoid the fiscal cliff. i know it is hard to read the tea leaves because in the meantime you have these offers viewed by each side as not serious, kind of like fiscal cliff bungee jumping. people jump in and spring back out. but i believe the odds are good that there will be some sort of deal before the cliff. >> let's get into the longer- term deal -- everyone believes entitlement reform and tax reform is going to take place in 2013, maybe 2014. but just in the short term, can the republicans, can enough republicans say, we do not like it, but we are going to go along for now with the 39.6% rate and come back with a promise of next year of trying to lower and broaden the base? >> i would much prefer that we do the kind of pro-growth reform that i laid out in a bill a few weeks ago, not thinking that this bill is going to become law, but a way to show a path forward with $4.5 trillion in savings. i think that in the event that the house feels that, when they see that the senate is obviously controlled by the democratic party, you have a democratic presiden
religious freedom foundation. a fiscal cliff, an update, we're nowhere near a deal, but there may be a smidge of movement in the debate. if an agreement isn't reached in 26 days, we go over the cliff or some people describe it as a gentle slope but basically what happens, there are crippling tax hikes and sweeping spending cuts that will go into effect on the first of the new year. the president and the house speaker john boehner finally spoke yesterday by phone. they have both agreed to keep the details of the discussion under wraps. they're both standing firm on the tax hike, their positions on the tax hikes for the top 2%. listen. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from, guess who? the rich. >> once republicans acknowledge that rates are going up for top earners, we believe that an agreement is very achievable. >> kate balduan is in washington, d.c., this morning. so that's kind of a depressing thing, when just the advent of a phone conversation between the two top dealmakers is the headline, isn't it? >> i could not agree with you more. the fact that
're not going to reach some sort of deal to avoid the fiscal cliff? i mean that would be so unpopular across the nation. >> you would -- if you can take an action that would solve the problem for 98% of the country and then come back to the debate about the wealthiest 2%, let's get that first chunk done. republicans fear they could lose leverage if they cave in on the middle-class issue. apparently the president, his team has made increased demand here including, a provision now, part of the negotiations where, the congressional control over the debt limit would go away. and congress does not like to have its power take any way. so maybe the white house, upped the ante and played the stronger card and has republicans balking, according to reporting by "the washington post." that's a new element, all of that, that could prove interesting because it's stripping congressional control. and we just had the big debate over the debt ceiling. >> exactly. >> interesting. the clock is ticking, fellows, for sure. >>> speaking of money, extending jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed could help
a deal happening in time to avert this fiscal cliff. some say it's for political reasons. what can you tell us? >> it may all be for political reasons. that's no surprise in washington. as you can seen through dealmaking not just on this but things in the past couple of years between the white house and congress, there is almost this rhythm that has evolved. both sides are pointing to the other for an impasse. republicans like senator lindeyy graham just slamming the white house and tim geithner for a plan he laid out on behalf of the administration, laying out about $1.6 trillion in new revenues coupled with only about $400 billion in medicare cuts. listen to what graham said. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare, medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. the president's plan when it comes to entitlement form is quite frankly a joke. >> so over the weekend the sunday shows, you saw geithner basically drawing a line in the sand. he
with the benefit of 500 miles how does this for the prospects for a deal on fiscal cliff look from your perspective? >> you know -- >> do you think it's going to happen. >> short answer is i don't know because i see two trends simultaneously. one, you hear voices in either party saying, hey, it wouldn't be so bad if we go over the cliff. some of the hysteria attendant to the whole notion of the cliff is being -- dissipating. on the other hand, if you look at the numbers, they are not that far apartment. you know, honestly, it's not as though we are dealing with major tectonic plates moving in separate drksz. the president saying 1.6 trillion in revenue and boehner saying 800 billion. so compromise at 1.2 trillion. you see the cuts the deal in aggregate are about 2 and change in trillions. where they differ emotional is raising rates. for obtain is a line in the sand. for the president, that's a line in the sand. there are mechanisms buckets and closing loopholes don't satisfy the president. so that is the sticking point. have to work around that? hard to
to hammer out a deal over tax hikes and spending cuts as the clock particulars towards that fiscal cliff deadline on january 11. mike emanuel is live. we are still getting hard lines from either side about where they stand on this. what is really happening behind the closed doors? are they closer to a dole? >> reporter: jenna you're right about a lot of tough talk in public, but behind closed doors we know the president, the speaker of the house john boehner had a phone call late yesterday, the first call they had in a week. there has not been much in the way of leaks as to what was discussed. most folks on capitol hill may suggest that no leaks means they are getting down to serious movement on finding a compromise to avert the fiscal cliff. because in public the treasury secretary was asked yesterday if the administration is prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. check this out. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff. >> absolutely. we see no prospects for an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthist. remember it's only 2%.
, at least our former members of congress here. do they cut a deal, congressmen? to avoid the fiscal cliff before we actually get there? >> i believe so. >> senator? >> yes, as long as you realize that the treasury secretary sets withholding taxes, he doesn't have to raise it even if the taxes go up and the sequester doesn't have to happen month by month. you can do the sequester in the last month of 12 months if you want. so it gives the congress anotherality or nine -- probably four or five month the next year before they have to reach a deal. >> you're thinking they could kick the can down the road but who thinks the market's not going to let them do that? they'll be punished. >> they'll be hugely punished. >> sooner rather than later? >> immediately. >> we haven't seen it so far. >> >> the herd will turn. erskine's got a very famous line that says, we got away with it last time because we had the best-looking horse in the glue factory or whatever he says. we're not going to get it passed this time. >> we're not going to get it passed. no. >> the president doesn't want a deal. >> we wil
on the fiscal cliff. >> 30% of the cliff, no big deal. >> okay. >> stephanie: what? new abc poll tax the rich and leave medicare alone. >> that's crazy. >> stephanie: that's nearly 60%. >> that's more than 47%. >> stephanie: right, 60% of the "abc news" poll results of this poll echo the national exit polls in the presidential election just fyi. >> if we do that, 98% of people get a tax cut. who could be against that? oh the republicans. >> stephanie: we'll have audio from this. the president explained it really, really well, exactly what that means. 67% of this polishing more than 60. >> yes nearly 70. >> stephanie: nearly 70 oppose another suggestion raising medicinemedicare eligibility age. >> we have that audio. >> stephanie: why don't we play it. >> i can get the cd from yesterday. we played it yesterday. >> stephanie: no, the actual breakdown, it's only on the first 250,000. explaining how everybody basically gets a tax break. >> i don't think we have that audio. >> stephanie: well, you're fired. >> you're fired. you're fired. you are fired. >> stephanie: can we have that found bite. >>
goal is to let this country go over the fiscal cliff because he wants the economy to fail because he wants president obama to fail. john boehner, again, i think the worst speaker ever, it's a time for leadership, not for playing political games. american people have spoken. this is a time for leadership. i think if john boehner is unwilling to lead, we've got to put pressure on him to get the hell out of the way. fish or cut bait. get the hell out of the way. he has no backbone. he has no balls. he is a lousy, lousy leader. he is a looser. i think we ought to start putting the pressure on him. let's pick a fight today with john boehner. it's not picking a fight with boehner. it's just doing something to save this country. so, peter, how do people -- i call on you join me in call okay john boehner lead or get out of the way. >> peter: if you want to send him an e-mail speaker.gov/contact. you can send it to him. if you are on twitter >> bill: speaker.gov spiritists we are tweeting this as well. if you are on twitter he is tweeting @speakerboehner,
politics." >>> another day of fiscal cliff drama. stocks reversed early gains and fell shortly after house speaker john boehner dashed hopes that lawmakers were getting closer to agreeing on a year-end budget deal. but all three major markets did bounce back by the afternoon. >>> economic data was positive thursday, but we'll see what impact there is today from grim news out of europe. eurozone unemployment has hit another record high at 11.7% in october. >>> the number of retailers posted poor sales hammered by superstorm sandy's impact on the northeast. >>> a bankruptcy judge has given hostess final clearance to start selling off assets and approved $1.8 million in bonuses for company executives. >>> verizon wireless tops this year's "consumer reports" ranking of major carriers. it was at&t that came in last behind sprint and t-mobile, except among 4g users where it was the best. >>> and where is the best country to be born in 2013? well, when factoring in life expectancy, divorce rates and rainfall, it's switzerland, according to the economist. i bet all the chocolate doesn't hurt. the
's a deal struck on the fiscal cliff. i think boehner is trying to exert control. leaders try to exert control before these votes happen. sometimes weeks before. so this was a warning to house conservatives, that if you go against leadership and a deal is struck, there are going to be consequences. >> yeah. so chuck todd, let's talk about the other side of pennsylvania avenue. the president of the united states yesterday speaking with john boehner. and they wisely decided not to characterize that phone call, thank god for the sake of america. and the world. also, you had tim geithner. good god. >> he didn't say anything he hasn't said before. >> geithner on the sunday shows was saying oh, yeah, the republicans are going to back down. they're going to cower in the corner, tremble and whatever. and then yesterday he said we're going to go over the cliff if republicans don't do what we want. i'm curious, what's the white house attitude right now? are they willing to go over the cliff? is geithner right? >> are they willing to go over the cliff? i guess they are, but they also don't believ
. sheville a lot of question, should she be nominated. let me turn to the fiscal cliff. the edge of that is so close to us, are we going to go over it? what will it take to reach a deal? former [speaking spanish] newt gingrich said, it takes sitting down and talking face to face. >> if they wanted to sit and really talk, you can get a lot done. but i always remind people, clinton had been governor. as governor, he had spent years negotiating with legislatures. so when we took control of the congress, we sort of got the dance. he and i spent i think 35 days face to face. it wasn't that my staff will meet with your staff and eventually, we will have a brief phone call. that's nonsense. you have to be in a room. have you to listen to each other. >> so, where's president obama today? well, he was not in washington. he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. to many, he seems to be back on the campaign trail, campaigning for fiscal ideas. governor palin, speaker gingrich, who has battled with president clinton, said you have to sit down face to face. this is being outsourced. how should
negotiations over the debt ceiling fell apart. to understand what's going on during the hopeless fiscal cliff negotiations rewind to 2011 when boehner and president obama came within inches of a grand bargain, a deal that would have forced both democrats and republicans to eat their vegetables. in its comprehensive analysis of what happens during the secret negotiations, matt bai wrote -- the deal unraveled in large part because speaker boehner could not get his unruly caucus to go along with raising new revenue. fast forward to this year and republicans now think that deal, the one they walked away from, sounds pretty good. they're using it as a basis for their current proposal. only problem. boehner had his chance. president obama now thinks he has the upper hand. according to the "washington post's" ezra klein, quote -- >> joining us now representative chris van hollen of maryland, ranking member of the house budget committee. great to have you on the program. >> great to be with you, alex. >> let's talk a little bit about 2011 versus 2012, which is to say, the republican party is a very d
the fiscal cliff. the president heard how tax increases would affect a middle class family like that one if no deal is reached by the end of the year. democrats and republicans are still at an impasse over raising taxes for the top 2% of the nation's earners. >>> police arrested a 17-year-old student in montgomery county who brought a gun to school this morning. the campus officer arrested octavio estevez in rock vail. he was not supposed to be at school today but showed up anyway. the campus officer asked him to leave. when he didn't, the officer searched him and found an unloaded handgun in his backpack. >>> exclusive details about efforts to relocate the fbi headquarters on pennsylvania avenue northwest. d.c. officials have privately said they would support moving the fbi to prince george's county if the county would allow the redskins to move back into the district. today the county publicly dismissed that idea. >>> tonight police are searching for clues in what they believe to be a planned attack in a northern virginia hotel. someone sexually assaulted a female hotel clerk last nigh
charming, engaging, how winning is that demeanor, is it at all, in dealing with john boehner and the fiscal cliff? >> i think they're kind of past all that at this point, right? i mean, i don't think the demeanor's really going to help at this point. they've been through this -- they've done this dance before. most of the players who are involved in this negotiation are the same players that were involved in the negotiation that happened in the summer of 2011 over the debt ceiling. and so these guys know each other pretty well by now, and i think the president and john boehner, even after all of that, still have a reasonable working relationship. but i think that the president's people have made a very clear calculation, they decided that they tried a way of negotiating in 2011 which was to be what they think of as reasonable. to come in and say, put your cards on the table. this is where we think a good deal will end up. $3 in spending cuts for $1 in tax increases. here's a bunch of medicare cuts on sbilentitlement. show your hand. this is what the president's willing to do. meet me here i
in this country and where it fits in in the conversations happening right now about the fiscal cliff. we're taking a great deal of soul-searching about america's priorities and taxes and spending, what we're going to spend money on, how we're going to tighten our belt. where does energy policy fit into this discussion? >> the major place it fits is in the right policy, which would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue, and that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. the energy research is about $6 billion a year, more or less. i'd like to see it doubled. i think if you're looking for something -- i mean, this report, i think, is a blueprint for independence. that doesn't mean we don't ever buy from people, this person or that person, but we're not in a position to be held hostage by anybody. it also focuses on finds more and use less, that's the magic formula. but i think what we can do in the federal government following up the last question with this one is, i think invest in research, for example, and getting a 500-mile b
of -- mr. blumenauer: there is a great deal of hyperactive rhetoric about the fiscal cliff and the trouble ahead. the fact is that people should just take a deep breath and focus on where we are and where we need to go. first of all, it's not a fiscal cliff but a slope. there are many opportunities for us in the weeks ahead to be able to change the unsustainable trajectory of america's financial future. there are many efforts already evident and people taking steps to try and cope with it. the president campaigned very explicitly on raising the top tax rates. it was something that was embraced by democrats running for the senate and virtually all of them running for the house. . the house increased in democratic numbers. there were more democrats added to the house and more americans voted for the president and his vision, for the senate democrats and for democrats in the house than my republican friends on the other side of the aisle. it's encouraging that the president has decided that he's no longer going to negotiate with himself. he's laid out his positions, and has encouraged a respo
the fiscal cliff. because that just maybe gets you over the hump. this may be just a temporary fix to give them time to work out in 2013 perhaps a bigger deal, a grand bargain. but what does grand bargain mean. if you were able to cobble together a bigger deal, but a lot of people worry that's fiscal drag. and that will mean that as we move into '14, '15, growth will be a lot softer. >> you have to get confidence because. because if the consumer doesn't have confidence going into christmas and next year and saying i don't know what's going on, right now that's holding up our economy. two-thirds of our economy is driven by the consumer actually starting to spend. business is dragging. you will see a multiplier effect on the negative side and 2014 will look worse because people won't travel, they won't buy. all advertising, you can just look at kind of going across the board and saying if businesses don't know what's going on and congress can't get back together and the consumer said i thought things were going to get better because consumers always spend more than they have, that's going to
creditors and there may be others in the pipeline. bill: negotiations on that fiscal cliff and his first one-on-one television interview since reelection president obama says he will only agree to a deal that raises tax rates on top earners. >> we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class families that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more ef
message out about the fiscal cliff. he explained why this morning on "today". take a look. >> i thought the guy said pretending you're riding a horse and lassoing steer. let me tell you, you have to reach young people. >> it's hard to read when you're coughing and laughing all at the same time. it's problematic, people. so, from alan simpson to the animated simpsons, mr. montgomery burns explains the fiscal cliff. >> think of the even xhooe econd the ri as a car. if you don't give the rich man money he'll drive you over the cliff, it's common sense. >> that's going to wrap things up for me. i'll see you tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. congresswoman maxine waters will be here, marcia blackburn, jared bernstein and ron insana. ben labolt and hogan gidley. "now with alex wagner" comes your way next. ready bored. hmm, we need a new game. ♪ that'll save the day. ♪ so will bounty select-a-size. it's the smaller powerful sheet. the only one with trap + lock technology. look! one select-a-size sheet of bounty is 50% more absorbent than a full size sheet of the leading ordinary brand. u
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